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welcome to the john ford ufo nightmare

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a dedicated ufologist's journey through

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hell

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and our attempt to get him out

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welcome everybody to another episode of

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the john ford ufo nightmare episode 23.

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essentially we could call this the 21st

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anniversary of john's incarceration and

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the start of his battle

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uh through through hell right at the

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moment so tonight we got a little bit of

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a skeleton crew but we will be having

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more people join us here i'm on the line

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here with uh joseph pardo hey joe how

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you doing

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all right fine thanks that's great

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that's great and then i have jerry

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semesia on tonight and jerry glad to

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have you back

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yes it's always nice to be back perfect

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perfect now i'm going to hand it over to

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jerry for those of you that don't know

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much about john ford and his nightmare

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jerry's going to do a quick synopsis and

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we're going to follow into some updates

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joe joel stays pretty close with what's

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going on and we will be joined later by

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rich

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smith and peter moon so everybody will

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be popping in here now but go ahead

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jerry let our listeners know uh you know

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about the john ford story all right if

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you're new to the program

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john ford

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is a former court guard in um

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first first in brooklyn then rip ahead

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and in late 80s he started a group the

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long island ufo network

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and my association with john was that i

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was working for a newspaper

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on the east end of long island

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i heard about his group and i wrote an

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article about it in the ensuing years

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wrote a few articles

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you know events that john claimed were

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ufo sightings ufo crashes

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and which each of these is a story unto

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for the purpose of this i'll just have

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to pass on that and john

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john kind of trusted me because as

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as as many of you know who follow

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the mainstream press

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is getting better but particularly

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back 20 25 years ago was very

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kind of treated in a mocking way and i

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think john appreciated i just wrote it

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uh without any judgment so

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one day in

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uh it was that i guess at the beginning

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of spring in 1996 i hadn't heard from

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john for a while i gave him a call to

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see what was going on and he sounded

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very uh

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well my first impression was gee this

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guy sounds paranoid he was telling me

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people from

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he lives in brookhaven township which is

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the largest township on long island

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and uh he said that politicians were out

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to get him

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he uh was afraid of people trying to

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kill him and i said my impression my

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honest impression was

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this was like kind of crazy but

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he said at the end of the phone call

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something that it happened to be very

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prophetic

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he said if something happens to me

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you'll know what i said is true

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six weeks later it's the middle of june

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1996 and i'm watching the

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like the six o'clock news literally and

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i'm hearing suddenly

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ufo investigator from belfort from a

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long island ufo investigator arrested

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and i just knew uh

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and there he was being let out of his

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house in handcuffs

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and the charges were allegedly

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these were the charges that him

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allegedly playing to do this was to

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murder three brookhaven town public

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officials

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with a radioactive substance by doing

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putting it in their toothpaste putting

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and when i heard that i thought either

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this is the most ridiculous thing or

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john really is crazy because i don't

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know i said what is he going to do sneak

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in crawl in somebody's bathroom and put

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you know radium in their toothpaste

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again to make a longer story short john

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rouse who was an attorney at the time

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who later uh became highway highway

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superintendent in brookhaven is now a

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family court just in suffolk and rouse

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mike again i was writing about this i

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had conversations with john rousey he

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was all set to go to trial and blow all

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the little of corruption in suffolk

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our township which i live in also

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brookhaven township

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has a um a much used uh nickname around

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here it's called instead of brookhaven

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it's called crook haven we've had our

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share of uh

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corrupt officials

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so anyway rouse is all set to go you

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know battle the uh

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the suffolk county d.a

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uh john cadison and

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seemingly at a twist the last minute he

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convinces john to

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you know he convinces john to take the

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deal of

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not competent to stand trial

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because he tells john at the most you'll

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you'll go you'll go away for two or

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three years and you'll get out and if

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john had gone to trial

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and been found guilty he would have lost

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his pension

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that two to three years turned out to be

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what is and again this is june 11th

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2017 he was arrested on june 12 1996 so

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tomorrow he'll be

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he will have been incarcerated for 21

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joe mazzuchelli

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masicelli actually served some time in

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john if john had even if he had been

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joe could probably tell you now but what

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convicted john was this

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i'm sorry did you say something joe

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i'm just agreeing i mean i'm listening

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to this and i'm like i'm shaking my head

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definitely june 12 1996

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apparently john was a gun collector he

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had he had a number of firearms in the

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house which were all registered they

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they made a big deal when they raided

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uh that you know he had a lot of go they

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he was um he had a publication called

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the free man which was a

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libertarian conservative publication and

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at the time there was some militia group

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called the free men you know raising a

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ruckus somewhere in the west and i think

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a lot of people mistook it ogie john

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ford guns he's part of some wacky

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militia group

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magazine that he subscribed to

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befriended

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and had done a lot of favors before for

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stole one of john's guns and sold it

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i don't know if you sold directly to a

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police informant

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but what what happened is a police

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with a wire went over john's house was

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with this guy massachelli magicilli

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was i would describe him as kind of a

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a petty thief with visions of himself as

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an outlaw biker and my one conversation

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i had it with him that's how he

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um massachu and um this guy uh koch

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chocolate i'm not sure to pronounce his

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they were joking around i'm not sure how

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mazzuchelli egg demand sean john was

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saying stuff like oh i'm gonna put

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radium uh john john would secure a

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radium

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to calibrate the geiger counters he used

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there's any um

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abnormal radiation in the area

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the time zebra worked for grumman

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radium as a matter of fact when i spoke

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team whom the authorities called to

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john's house to get the radium

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like 20 years exposure to this

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something that they would

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and uh you know die in fact the uh the

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pr person at the lab monaro told me the

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joke around the lab was that

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oh if you put this on somebody's car

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seat you'll cure them a prostate cancer

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so it was it was not something not

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something that was immediately toxic to

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for him to uh use as a weapon to uh to

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you know take somebody out

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uh would would seem ludicrous just would

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just be ludicrous but anyway

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john ford was he made some joke about

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putting

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radium in anthony gazzola's lasagna

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uh you know a brookhaven town official

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like if i said you know i'm gonna go to

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uh the white house and

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you know

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put some rat poison in trump's dinner

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you know and then the fbi comes and

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arrests me it's it's it's ridiculous

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vote for murder and now the

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telling point is that the three his

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was head of the suffolk county

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republican party and he had risen

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through the ranks of uh

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you know brookhaven officialdom he

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started out working at the landfill then

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he became the highway superintendent

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that seems to be a stepping stone to a

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lot of great things in brookhaven but

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anyway

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he

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running um doing some illegal things

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with illegal dumping running at chop

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shop

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and he

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he did he did time and another another

298
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suffolk county legislative fred towel

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was also busted on

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eventually busted on corruption charges

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gozola was the only one who was not

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uh

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you know found guilty of anything though

304
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i've heard a lot of

305
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you know stuff about him that i

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personally couldn't verify i don't know

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if it's true but so two out of his three

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victims apparently were crooked which

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you know seems more telling to me but

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again i kept thinking of him saying

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if something

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happens to me you'll know what i said is

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true so

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i visited john he was first in jail and

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riverhead before they moved him upstate

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he's been in a psychiatric um

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jail prison

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uh for a long time i think he was in

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riverhead

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through to the end of 96 you know he was

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arrested in june 96 he was in riverhead

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probably to the end of 97

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because i remember seeing him there late

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summer early autumn 97 i think it was a

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few months after that they

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shipped them up to uh

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amid

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hudson now he has apparently had no

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incidents

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at mid hudson

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he's not exhibiting any violent

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tendencies

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he keeps going up for release

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and they keep keeping him that's

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basically it uh well and again uh

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there are a lot of different facets to

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this he's

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i understand if as far as i know

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he's on his second attorney robert reno

340
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he was supposed to have

341
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months ago and that got cancelled

342
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because and i believe joe can fill

343
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people in on this better than i can

344
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they wanted um someone from suffolk

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county to represent

346
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the uh

347
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in other words someone from the county i

348
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guess would say why you shouldn't be

349
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released which

350
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i i don't even know what even sense that

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makes

352
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it just

353
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there's a whole

354
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bevy of information

355
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uh that that they

356
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that they use to um

357
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you know legal legal procedures and

358
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loopholes to keep john

359
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from um from even appearing in court

360
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um between uh

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the beginning of november and now

362
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um we've done several shows and there's

363
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been mix-ups and court dates and uh

364
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you know different affirmations and so

365
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,040
forth but

366
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um the way it stood

367
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as of uh the beginning of uh november he

368
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was supposed to have a trial on i

369
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believe the november 15th or thereabouts

370
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and uh that was delayed

371
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um in fact i was on my way literally out

372
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the door to go up and testify on his

373
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behalf

374
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and i was called up by john we couldn't

375
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get in touch with the attorney and found

376
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out that his court date was postponed

377
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with no other for further information

378
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given

379
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um

380
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they then had it

381
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yeah they had it that was that was in

382
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november then then on

383
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on november 30th that was the last date

384
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that

385
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district attorney's office in suffolk

386
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county

387
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was allowed to

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ask for an independent psychiatric

389
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review

390
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somebody that they pick

391
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they chose they chose not to even

392
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address that and the case was pushed off

393
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uh several more times once again from

394
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february and then to through through

395
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into into april

396
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and the reason was pushed off in in

397
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february and then again in march and

398
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into april

399
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was uh

400
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allegedly because

401
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um

402
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they they decided that they wanted to

403
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have not just one but three different

404
00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:29,920
doctors examined

405
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,560
john in addition to his treatment team

406
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which includes psychiatrists

407
00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:36,800
psychologists nursing staff attendants

408
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and so forth

409
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so all these people

410
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uh all these people against john and his

411
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lawyer and and the and the uh the the

412
00:15:51,749 --> 00:15:49,440
psychologist of dr graf

413
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who was uh who we paid

414
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uh for an independent uh

415
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examination of john

416
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:58,959
and he's examined john on a number of

417
00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:00,160
occasions

418
00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:01,839
and we pay for we pay for his

419
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examination and his results written

420
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written results and testimony to back up

421
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his results whether or not he finds

422
00:16:15,110 --> 00:16:12,880
that john is fine or not

423
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,120
okay we pay for that

424
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,519
so uh they had their opportunity and

425
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:19,199
somehow they managed to get three

426
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:20,639
different

427
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,639
hospital

428
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and then when

429
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:31,360
but by the time the case came to court

430
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:34,800
the window of opportunity for john um

431
00:16:40,069 --> 00:16:38,000
uh contesting his continued retention

432
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:40,079
but that two-year period had already

433
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,279
lapsed

434
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:43,839
so john is out of luck again

435
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,800
until

436
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,480
um

437
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:48,639
possibly as long as a year and a half

438
00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:55,749
but if

439
00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:58,720
if he had a court date or a hearing date

440
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:00,880
and it was postponed

441
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:03,600
how how how does that how could they say

442
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,559
he

443
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:07,360
apply for

444
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:10,559
another two years

445
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:13,039
if well that's exactly what

446
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,439
that's exactly the question i've been

447
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:17,280
asking his attorney

448
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,120
that's exactly the question that john

449
00:17:24,549 --> 00:17:21,839
has been asking his attorney mr reno

450
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,559
who's been on the show okay

451
00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,799
and he's been paid the doctor's been

452
00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:28,960
paid so it's not a matter of you know

453
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,480
financial or anything like that

454
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:34,320
there's just no explanation no

455
00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:35,679
explanation

456
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,840
uh uh suitable for john orphan or for me

457
00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:41,919
or for anybody that's interested in this

458
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:43,120
case

459
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:43,919
now

460
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:46,480
you have to remember that that john's

461
00:17:52,470 --> 00:17:49,280
behavior since he's been arrested at his

462
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:52,480
arrest and prior to his arrest for 22

463
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:54,880
years in the court system in in brooklyn

464
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:58,000
and riverhead as a as a court officer in

465
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:59,760
the state supreme court where he carried

466
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:01,200
a gun every day

467
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,960
was exemplary he had no

468
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,240
no

469
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,480
recorded incidents of

470
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:10,240
he handled prisoners

471
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:13,200
he reported to state supreme court every

472
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,799
working day

473
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,480
with a loaded gun

474
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,960
handgun in uniform

475
00:18:22,390 --> 00:18:20,720
so we're not talking about some whack

476
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:22,400
job all right

477
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,919
then um

478
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:25,600
you know of course

479
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:27,280
he wants to collect weapons he wants to

480
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:29,039
go down to the shooting range that's his

481
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,559
prerogative

482
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:32,880
uh nothing found in his house was found

483
00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:34,799
to be illegal including the little chunk

484
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,840
of

485
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,840
radiant it was not radiant metal by the

486
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:39,919
way it was radium ore

487
00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:40,840
which he

488
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:44,240
procured uh independent from uh from his

489
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,919
friend zabe beau who did offer him um

490
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,200
you know

491
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:51,280
as a container of it but he never even

492
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:53,200
looked at it

493
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,880
the problem is

494
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:56,400
the radium

495
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:01,919
containers which are in the videos on on

496
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:04,960
richard smith's uh website

497
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,160
uh are are

498
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:10,640
our metallic radium and they're used in

499
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:12,480
a machine

500
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,640
that photographs airframes for f-14s

501
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:18,480
and um

502
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:24,070
it's still metallic radium but it

503
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:25,679
doesn't glow in the dark or anything

504
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:27,360
there's only small amounts of it stored

505
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:30,880
in a 20 pound lead container tiny amount

506
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,240
several grams

507
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:34,640
usually in powdered form

508
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,640
uh that was that was uh

509
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,400
taken out of

510
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:43,280
the the his uh truck which was parked in

511
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:45,760
the street and unlocked

512
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,200
and john never had contact with that

513
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,799
uh at all he didn't even know it existed

514
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:53,600
so

515
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,720
um

516
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,120
and they tried to pass another story off

517
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:59,120
that john was parked in front of john

518
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,039
powell's house

519
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:05,430
at some point

520
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,880
what what's this about him parks in

521
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,960
front of powell's house what'd you say

522
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,559
joel

523
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,559
joe what one second richard smith is

524
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:14,320
with us too just wanted to let you know

525
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,880
he popped in hi rick

526
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:18,480
how you doing man

527
00:20:22,470 --> 00:20:21,120
hey guys uh glad to see you here tonight

528
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,480
yeah um

529
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,919
it's um

530
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,679
it's a it's good to be back on here with

531
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,080
everyone

532
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:30,080
great to hear you sir

533
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,120
yes

534
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:33,360
just want this one yeah go ahead go

535
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:35,679
ahead i mean you now you're looking at

536
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:39,679
20 a 22-year history of of john being

537
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:42,240
employed by the court in brooklyn and in

538
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,039
riverhead state supreme court

539
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:48,640
and 21 years now in the hospital with no

540
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:49,919
flight risk

541
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:56,310
absolutely no behavioral issues

542
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,679
whatsoever

543
00:21:02,710 --> 00:20:59,919
and this is somebody that they're

544
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:02,720
accusing of

545
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:05,600
wanting to murder people i mean here's a

546
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,559
guy that wouldn't raise his voice

547
00:21:13,110 --> 00:21:10,480
that would sue people rather than get

548
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:13,120
into an off any type of altercation with

549
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,000
him

550
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,280
and he still has that credibility

551
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:19,600
and they they don't want him released

552
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:22,240
strictly for financial reasons because

553
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:24,799
he was incarcerated illegally

554
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,280
the restaurant was two day was dated two

555
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,360
days after his arrest

556
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,039
there's a lot of problems with the case

557
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,360
and they are they are culpable for his

558
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,840
illegal incarceration

559
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,320
and it'll be 21 years tomorrow

560
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,039
so on that note

561
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:44,159
on that somber note um i'll let anyone

562
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:45,360
else

563
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,909
joe what happened joe joe what happened

564
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,480
to mazzachelli and zabo

565
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,000
well we've had massive chili on here

566
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:00,720
yeah let our listeners know

567
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:03,679
okay i know about uh massachelli

568
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:06,880
was offered a uh uh a plea deal when

569
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,320
john was uh firmly going to contest this

570
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,000
until he was told it was a political

571
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,760
matter and he was going to be found not

572
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,400
guilty his lawyer told him that

573
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,600
and advised him to plead um

574
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:21,440
guilty by reason of insanity you know

575
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:24,159
non-compass mantis so forth

576
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,600
but the um

577
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,159
but massachusetts was offered up until

578
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,000
the time that john was you know

579
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:32,799
permanently committed i believe that was

580
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,480
um around uh it was being worked on up

581
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,240
until about 2000

582
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,840
where he was finally settled in there

583
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,440
because they kept sending him back there

584
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:43,120
was nothing wrong with him they would

585
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,559
interview him he would answer every

586
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,640
question to their satisfaction and

587
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:47,840
saying there's nothing wrong with this

588
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:49,760
guy we can't take him up here

589
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,559
but

590
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,039
mazzachelli on the other hand

591
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,520
uh was said if you sign this paper

592
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,600
saying that you colluded with this guy

593
00:23:07,270 --> 00:22:58,720
to

594
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,280
um you can go you know and you'll be on

595
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,280
probation for five years

596
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,440
and you'll have to testify in court in

597
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:14,000
front of a jury and john cena would have

598
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:16,640
nothing to do with it he said no no uh

599
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,559
you know i what's the

600
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,120
the the standard minimum sentencing i'll

601
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:22,400
save you a trial

602
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,480
so they get they they sentence him to 12

603
00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:27,360
years i believe he served six

604
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:29,440
five and a half to six years of the 12

605
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:32,960
years and he was released on probation

606
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,280
and had to report to a probation officer

607
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,520
for another five years

608
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,559
and uh since then he's been

609
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:42,480
you know he's basically just you know

610
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,919
gotten old and you know and uh

611
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,960
uh

612
00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:49,440
and settled down and you know stop

613
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,280
committing whatever the hell he was

614
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,799
doing stopped doing whatever the hell he

615
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,960
was doing that was a situation with

616
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,240
massachusetts

617
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,960
uh zabo on the other hand

618
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,440
um they they uh

619
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,919
they found out for certain that he had

620
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,640
nothing to do with any of this

621
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,799
and but he did have an unregistered

622
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,520
firearm and i believe he spent six

623
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,520
months or he was sent i don't know if he

624
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,200
spent time in jail but he was sentenced

625
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,640
to six months

626
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,720
in county jail for having an

627
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,400
unregistered

628
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,640
firearm a handgun

629
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,039
and i would imagine since he was an

630
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,520
employee he was not an employee of

631
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,039
grumman he was an employee of the

632
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,600
department of defense

633
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,600
that he may have had

634
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,840
you know a weapon or two around the

635
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,320
house for his own protection

636
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,559
and uh that was all he could get him on

637
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,200
he didn't have anything

638
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,159
illegal and he was not associated with

639
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,240
john they had no phone records he had no

640
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,840
conversations they couldn't they were

641
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:51,039
not going to be able to get him for

642
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,400
conspiracy

643
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,000
now when you think when you talk about a

644
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,520
conspiracy

645
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,840
you're looking at um

646
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:00,799
how many people uh you know uh

647
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:03,919
anybody that spoke out on his behalf

648
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,960
uh was hassled to death including me

649
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,190
preston nichols had to move

650
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,520
out of state actually upstate upstate

651
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,799
new york

652
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,600
in seclusion and i understand his health

653
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,840
is not very good now he was one of you

654
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:22,480
people that spoke up in john's defense

655
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,080
anybody else

656
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,279
that even bothered to uh to accept phone

657
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:29,840
calls from where they were hassled to

658
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,880
death

659
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,840
um

660
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:33,840
and you know it's it's getting it's

661
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:35,919
getting to the point now

662
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,039
where i i because of this being his 21st

663
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:40,400
anniversary

664
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:43,840
um they there was a another station on

665
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:46,720
friday uh late friday night

666
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,400
did a a show similar to this a podcast

667
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,640
and so forth and um

668
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,520
we had a number of guests lined up

669
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,000
it got completely botched my voice was

670
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,200
fed in out of phase there was noise

671
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,679
there were cutouts and i had a really

672
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,000
really good communication system set up

673
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,960
over here and right now i've already

674
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,640
lost since i've been on the air of two

675
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:13,279
of the three backup

676
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:15,440
backup systems for my just my voice

677
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,120
coming over uh and to be on this show

678
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:21,120
so you can kind of see where that's

679
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,200
going it was a politically motivated um

680
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,880
you know pre-planned plot to put

681
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,200
somebody to find a scapegoat

682
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,360
to take attention away from toxic

683
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:32,720
dumping

684
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,720
which included radioactive waste from

685
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,960
the grumman plant

686
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:39,600
which is now northrop grumman i believe

687
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:41,600
and um it was being run by the town of

688
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,320
brookhaven under the auspices of uh

689
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:45,760
gozola

690
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:49,679
and uh by by uh uh uh powell and towel

691
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,400
uh fred powell and john and john powell

692
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,720
both of whom served federal prison

693
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:57,840
sentences

694
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,039
for uh for corruption uh illegal toxic

695
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,039
dumping as john

696
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:06,159
you know was was certain of

697
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:07,200
and

698
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,320
a number of other offenses

699
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,679
in fact

700
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:13,360
powell

701
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,279
executive legislator in suffolk county

702
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,000
had couldn't take a political post but

703
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,559
he still remained the chairman

704
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,799
of the republican party in suffolk

705
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,840
county

706
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,960
and his children uh at least one of them

707
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,320
were given

708
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,000
you know special consideration for

709
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:36,720
high-level jobs appointed

710
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,400
but not elected

711
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:40,159
so um

712
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:41,120
um

713
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:42,880
he died very mysteriously of a heart

714
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:46,720
attack at the age of 52.

715
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,400
uh i think 50 i'm pretty sure it was 52.

716
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,640
and um

717
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,640
you know there's a story going on around

718
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,880
about that where they use digitalis to

719
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,440
induce a heart attack and so forth so

720
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:01,279
there's a lot more to this than meets

721
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,640
the eye

722
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,360
and as far as john

723
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,120
um becoming uh overtly paranoid he had

724
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,440
them good reason to he asked me to to

725
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:13,039
monitor his his cell phone

726
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:16,720
communications because joe masicelli had

727
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,840
uh been using john's cell phone

728
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,559
and in 1996 not too many people had cell

729
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:25,039
phones john got that specifically for

730
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:25,919
use

731
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,950
joe are you there

732
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:32,240
yeah

733
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,279
oh

734
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:35,039
yeah yeah we lost you for a second but

735
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,480
you're back tell me you didn't lose me

736
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:38,720
we lost your setup peter guys peter moon

737
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:41,520
has joined the crew here so

738
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:47,430
you guys

739
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,640
i did a

740
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,880
a quick search on madicelli i don't find

741
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,200
anything i just i'm finding

742
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,120
all those old articles that came out you

743
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,440
know around when he was arrested

744
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,679
and i curiously well

745
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,200
there was article from the washington

746
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,279
post called out there

747
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:16,559
and it came out early in 1998 and then

748
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,840
well i remember this one in particular

749
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,200
because i

750
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,600
queried the post about doing you know a

751
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,600
big article on john

752
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,360
and they said well maybe our magazine

753
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,880
section might do it and then i spoke to

754
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,240
the editor there

755
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,240
and he said oh it's too because i said

756
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,480
you know i knew him i've written about

757
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,159
him in the past i'm i'm in this area

758
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,679
where he is and

759
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,440
he said well gee it's too late in the

760
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,360
contact me uh you know a month or so ago

761
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,760
because i just assigned story to

762
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,279
somebody to do

763
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,360
and it was a young reporter he called me

764
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,120
up you know he was

765
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:49,919
you know maybe his only um

766
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,000
fault was that he was just not familiar

767
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,039
enough with a piece i'm just i have i'm

768
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,039
as we are talking i'm i've got it up on

769
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,120
my computer and i'm reading it

770
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,960
it uh

771
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,480
again it you know

772
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,960
and i think and then again this is what

773
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,279
a lot of people in

774
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,279
you know the ufo field paranormal field

775
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,960
whatever it is don't like about the

776
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,640
media is they

777
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,480
they'll they'll just say oh gee this is

778
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,720
a weird story on this let's just kind of

779
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,320
frame it like this is a weird story

780
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,919
without really getting into the depths

781
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,120
of it

782
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:24,320
um just describing sean preston nichols

783
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:25,120
that

784
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,679
report it basically begins by saying

785
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,679
long island is a weird place

786
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,600
and and and to make your mark doing

787
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:34,880
something weird on long island you got

788
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:37,360
to be pretty weird so he mentions all

789
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,720
these weird things on long island with

790
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,720
joey about a fuco case

791
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,240
uh katie beers i don't know if your

792
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:44,240
audience you know that even registers

793
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,279
with that

794
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,880
but um

795
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,399
you know it goes on about the south

796
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,559
haven car crash the emergency bay

797
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:55,909
uh but again it's it's it's just

798
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,880
skimming over the surface

799
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,200
that's the the problem the problem with

800
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,430
you know it kind of like just gives

801
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,200
gives the reader oh gee this is a nice

802
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:09,200
weird story but you know that's all this

803
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,630
uh okay i'm sorry to check but that's uh

804
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,389
so i don't know if any of you have

805
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,760
any of you ever read this article in the

806
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,080
washington post

807
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,240
not the post office yes

808
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:27,679
i have yeah

809
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:29,200
in fact i think i have it connected to

810
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,640
the website too

811
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,799
because i had found it um you know it's

812
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,520
it's under the same link there out there

813
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,200
and um

814
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,200
it uh

815
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:41,120
it didn't take a very uh

816
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,559
a good slant to the whole thing from

817
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:45,120
what i remember reading on it

818
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:49,760
um in fact i don't i don't know um

819
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,679
how what was allowed to go through as

820
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:53,919
far as it being filtered

821
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,919
the average person spends hours a week

822
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,760
at the grocery store but you're not an

823
00:32:01,669 --> 00:32:00,000
average person are you there's a better

824
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,679
way to get fresh groceries and it's

825
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826
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827
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829
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831
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:16,640
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832
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833
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834
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,840
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835
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,000
today and what was allowed to be put out

836
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,399
there but uh no okay that's another

837
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,559
issue because after john was arrested i

838
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,840
wrote a very long piece about it for

839
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,760
the paper i worked for in the hamptons

840
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,440
and the

841
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:38,880
uh

842
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,240
i did about what john ford you know like

843
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,679
what what had just happened and also

844
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,519
gave like a

845
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,080
a good background on it

846
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:50,000
and my editor wanted to really cut the

847
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,159
whole thing in half

848
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,559
and yeah

849
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:55,919
hold on yeah

850
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:01,430
you know so i said to him at the time

851
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,720
well you know if you cut this there's

852
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,960
really no sense in publishing it is i

853
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,559
basically said either put the whole

854
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:08,159
thing you know don't use it which was

855
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,519
kind of

856
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,519
nervy for me to do but

857
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:13,519
that he acquiesced to that finally so

858
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:14,320
and it

859
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,760
you know i think i think it was a i

860
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:17,120
think was a pretty good piece it gave a

861
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:18,720
night a long

862
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:22,159
a lot of a lot of information without

863
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,509
didn't show up in newsday that way

864
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,760
unfortunately and we know who owns

865
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,080
newsday and we know who owns news 12 and

866
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,440
cablevision

867
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,960
it's the politicians the same

868
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:38,480
politicians

869
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,000
the same dirty people that um

870
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,760
corrupt

871
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,200
that

872
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,080
bilking

873
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,159
suffolk county residents and town

874
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,960
residents in smithtown and brookhaven

875
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:55,840
you know for uh taxes that are

876
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,760
probably the second highest i believe

877
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,320
property taxes in the country

878
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,640
so uh where is this money going and

879
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,480
there's no public transportation there's

880
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:07,039
no the schools are in shambles

881
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:07,760
so

882
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,869
but it's uh

883
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,800
it's a you know i always went out to

884
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:21,599
people i said look you know it's

885
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,000
this is something that happens

886
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,320
in the mid to late 90s

887
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:27,919
um

888
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:31,280
you know

889
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,800
anything any of the trouble that we have

890
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,119
going on today

891
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:37,200
with the government finding any excuse

892
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,919
to

893
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,240
throw you in jail or arrest you or

894
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:42,960
anything like that or ship you off to

895
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,599
secret unknown places and put a black

896
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,679
bag over your head and all that

897
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,919
this was all in you know 19

898
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,839
1996

899
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,919
and um

900
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,280
there's an interesting thing in this

901
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,520
article that just came up said

902
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,200
the district attorney at the time james

903
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,839
caddison who was vigorously pursuing

904
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,119
this addison was supported in his

905
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:05,440
november re-election bid by powell who

906
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,550
yeah

907
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:14,240
there's a good quote here by rouse you

908
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,839
know ford's attorney at the time the d.a

909
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,960
makes it look like he saved the

910
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:18,960
republican leader's life he blew this

911
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,520
way out of proportion

912
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,920
uh but also ultimately i don't think

913
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,119
rouse served john ford well

914
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,960
you know and i don't know what

915
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,400
uh he might have

916
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,200
did he feel that he was advising

917
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,160
john ford in the best way he could to to

918
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:38,560
you know to accept that incompetent and

919
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,829
okay oh it says obviously was sentenced

920
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,880
in november that would have been

921
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:48,880
november 97

922
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,310
that that sounds about right

923
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:59,040
yeah so yeah that sounds about right

924
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:00,480
what did he what how many years did he

925
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,760
serve

926
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,920
uh five

927
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,680
oh he did do five

928
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,000
in five years and uh he had another five

929
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,800
years on probation

930
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,640
and uh i don't know if you want to go

931
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,880
back through the records and see what he

932
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,720
has to say about that but he was on one

933
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,240
of the shows

934
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,000
uh one of these shows

935
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:21,920
and um

936
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,040
we got we got to question him and uh i

937
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,680
mean it took him about 10 minutes to

938
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,359
actually admit that he took guns from

939
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:30,960
john's house

940
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,320
and um you know which which uh

941
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,480
uh john's tried to give him the benefit

942
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,760
of the doubt

943
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,000
because he knew about one of the weapons

944
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,320
and he says if it comes back within

945
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,880
within a day and it hasn't been fired i

946
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,720
won't call the police

947
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,880
and he was at that point prepared to

948
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:50,880
throw out of the house joe was living

949
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,560
there sleeping on his couch eating his

950
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:54,640
food driving his cars

951
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,079
and joe had him snowballed and convinced

952
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,880
that uh he was needed

953
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,520
that that joe was needed by john for

954
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,440
protection because there were other

955
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:07,440
people interested in the work he was

956
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,400
doing

957
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,640
and when massachue

958
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:12,160
is

959
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,560
that

960
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:19,599
uh any reasonable person

961
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:22,000
would uh you know in the same situation

962
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,680
would believe it you don't have to be

963
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:26,160
crazy all right and john is certainly

964
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,119
not

965
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,400
so

966
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,440
and you know

967
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:34,000
i'm i'm sorry i keep referring to i

968
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,200
guess because

969
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,599
i was involved in this as as a writer as

970
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,000
a reporter and i'm noting

971
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,760
this this post article said ford

972
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,920
declined to be interviewed and in fact

973
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,240
none of the articles written

974
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,480
except the articles i wrote with about

975
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:51,200
john had any quotes from him directly

976
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,320
and yet

977
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,400
i i have tried to

978
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,800
place articles about him in various

979
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,680
venues and nobody's taking me on

980
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,359
i tried to get i've

981
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,280
you know queried news 12 about covering

982
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,119
this and

983
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:06,640
since they certainly covered it at the

984
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,760
time

985
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,359
i haven't you know i

986
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,880
i s you know i said this guy's trying to

987
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:13,920
get out well you know i've

988
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,550
i don't know it shows it um

989
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,640
you know it's i guess it's easy to say

990
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,000
oh this

991
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,320
is it that there's a vast conspiracy

992
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,040
specifically against him or is it just

993
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,960
endemic of a

994
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:33,280
certain attitude in the media that

995
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,680
we're just looking for the

996
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,560
um

997
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,560
national enquirer aspect of the story we

998
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,240
don't really want to know any

999
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:42,079
anything more than that

1000
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,599
you know we'll move on to the next weird

1001
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:44,800
story

1002
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,320
i think um a lot of it comes from um

1003
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,839
just

1004
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,240
going back to what joe said before um

1005
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,400
the economics of it you know it's the

1006
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,480
economics drives the politics which then

1007
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,160
drives the um

1008
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,680
the battle plan of the war and then um

1009
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,160
so on and behind the scenes

1010
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,079
you know the economic aspect has already

1011
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:07,599
been decided on

1012
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:10,240
by any means necessary keep his ass in

1013
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,000
there so that

1014
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,200
the uh the county doesn't have to be one

1015
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,520
uh have to face or be shamed in front of

1016
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:18,960
the public

1017
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,160
um because it's it's one thing to

1018
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,400
have everybody who lives there say yeah

1019
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:26,480
suffer county sucks but those are the

1020
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,720
people who live there and of course the

1021
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,320
attitude is well you live there we're

1022
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,760
not going to listen to you that's just

1023
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,079
your jaded opinion that's not objective

1024
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,240
which is a stupid way to think because

1025
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,599
the first person you're going to go to

1026
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:39,200
to get an honest opinion is the person

1027
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,320
who lives there

1028
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,760
but um

1029
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,119
so there's there's that attitude of um

1030
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,800
you know not

1031
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,599
actually officially recognizing suffolk

1032
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,000
county as the uh

1033
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:54,839
political wackaloon monkey bin that it

1034
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,800
is um but to have john ford get out

1035
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,560
that changes the whole face of it

1036
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:03,440
because then the reality sets in oh

1037
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:10,150
and now the economic reality which can't

1038
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:11,920
be argued against would settle in

1039
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,160
immediately and everyone would now have

1040
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:16,160
to listen to the people living in

1041
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,640
suffolk county and realize that you

1042
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,960
can't get around the john ford argument

1043
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,480
because that's a reality that slaps you

1044
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:25,040
in the face but as long as they can keep

1045
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:26,400
them in there

1046
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,400
then they can generate all the politics

1047
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,560
they want in terms of propaganda into

1048
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,920
the point where

1049
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,960
silence is the best form of propaganda

1050
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,000
of all

1051
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,560
you know and have this go quiet in the

1052
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,480
media across the board

1053
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,640
and if it does crop up well you know the

1054
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:45,599
politics would be let's make fun of it

1055
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,440
and um because then um because that

1056
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,839
generates then the battle plan of how to

1057
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:53,920
destroy him the war

1058
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:56,560
you know so it's a it's a string of

1059
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:58,000
events there

1060
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,280
and

1061
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:02,400
in that house in that house of cards

1062
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,200
the

1063
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:05,280
one

1064
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,400
immediately

1065
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:09,359
is

1066
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:10,800
everybody knows on both sides of the

1067
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,760
equation it would be releasing him

1068
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,839
and that's why they're doing everything

1069
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:17,920
in their power to delay this over and

1070
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,200
over again to find some damn excuse

1071
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,319
um

1072
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,800
you know it's a the the economics being

1073
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,440
the factor that's driving it but the

1074
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,680
psychology being the [\h__\h] argument

1075
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,599
that's you know using as used as the

1076
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,680
marketing to camouflage the economic

1077
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,440
argument

1078
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:37,280
so this is this is where it's all coming

1079
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,349
yeah

1080
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,680
doesn't seem endemic in

1081
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:45,440
the nature of a lot of law enforcement i

1082
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,240
mean

1083
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,880
i'm sure all of us watched many of these

1084
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,160
um

1085
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,640
true crime stories where

1086
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:54,480
they get some guy he's the guilty one

1087
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:57,040
and then ten years later they find out

1088
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,480
if he's not guilty it's that okay

1089
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,920
we don't we want to look good where the

1090
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,760
police where wherever we are whatever

1091
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,280
agency it is

1092
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:07,200
we call it the culprit we're great we

1093
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,720
get the criminal

1094
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,839
and as

1095
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,200
they feel they've got their person they

1096
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,720
don't want to listen to anything any

1097
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:14,880
anything to the contrary

1098
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,839
so john ford is guilty he's crazy he's

1099
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,280
gonna

1100
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:20,720
you know kill people with radium and

1101
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,599
that's the end of the story

1102
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:26,560
uh you know i think those um

1103
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,710
no officials

1104
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,309
want to believe that i want to uh

1105
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,240
want to be shown up

1106
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,400
that that even goes i think beyond the

1107
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,640
politics and then well of course

1108
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,359
i mean this is that that was i mean

1109
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,480
you could easily take john ford's story

1110
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,319
and run a parallel to

1111
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,960
the fugitive with harrison ford

1112
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,839
you know um where it it would take you

1113
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:57,599
see that's yet that's the other driving

1114
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:59,200
factor too

1115
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,200
the economics feeling the politics

1116
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,000
because um aside from the politics of

1117
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,599
making fun of it in the media or having

1118
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,079
complete media silence newspaper tv

1119
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,760
radio whatever

1120
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,040
um

1121
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,640
the flip side the ugly side of that

1122
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:14,640
politics is that just like in the movie

1123
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,960
the fugitive the last thing that suffolk

1124
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,319
county wants

1125
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,880
is an outside agency of a higher power

1126
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,119
be it the fbi or otherwise

1127
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,960
poking their nose around

1128
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:26,160
because just like in the movie the

1129
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,599
fugitive

1130
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,160
the fbi had to take a more of a

1131
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,400
objective approach to realizing

1132
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,760
um

1133
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,240
just like john ford perfect behavior in

1134
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,560
there not a psychopath not slitting

1135
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,480
people's throats okay

1136
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400
uh couldn't harm a fly

1137
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,160
well in the movie the fugitive you know

1138
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,280
the fbi team that was chasing harrison

1139
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,160
ford the first question that came up was

1140
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,079
why doesn't he shoot back at us why

1141
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,079
hasn't he done anything to harm us you

1142
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,240
know why is he always you know a

1143
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:58,400
hell-bent on being on the run

1144
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,319
well and just like with john ford who's

1145
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,240
hell-bent on pushing

1146
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,720
his truth his story about what happened

1147
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,079
to him

1148
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,839
you know the fugitive is like i'm on the

1149
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,040
run because i'm going to prove who

1150
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,520
actually did who actually killed my wife

1151
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,560
okay

1152
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,240
the fbi was in a position to be

1153
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,800
objective enough to say okay

1154
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,480
because the fbi is very much into

1155
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,800
psychology as opposed to the local

1156
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,520
suffolk county police force which

1157
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,480
you know

1158
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:26,400
they're not exactly

1159
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,319
they don't exactly carry a broad scope

1160
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,400
from a philosophical perspective of law

1161
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,720
enforcement they're very black and white

1162
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,800
in their mentality

1163
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,880
as was the case in the movie the police

1164
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,280
were hell-bent on saying no we have our

1165
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,520
guy he's guilty

1166
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,200
and fbi said no

1167
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:45,680
you don't

1168
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,280
you had a situation in in john's case

1169
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,240
where they did not want federal scrutiny

1170
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,119
of this exactly all right so they picked

1171
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,359
they picked a proper scapegoat here was

1172
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,440
some guy who had a

1173
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,960
a registered

1174
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,720
not-for-profit organization to

1175
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:04,800
investigate ufos

1176
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:08,400
and he was involved with politics

1177
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,319
and um you know and right-wing politics

1178
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,079
and um

1179
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,640
and and he he was a court employee he

1180
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,200
had a gun he had at least one gun they

1181
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,520
knew that i mean because he had to work

1182
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,560
right

1183
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,280
and and and at this point

1184
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,040
when you when you factor the wall out

1185
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,440
into it okay and then you have uh

1186
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,359
someone like john massachelli who's got

1187
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:33,599
a you know a criminal background but not

1188
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,800
a violent person not no violent behavior

1189
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,319
or anything like that

1190
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:41,599
um you know maybe one felony arrest or

1191
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:45,040
something like that a felony conviction

1192
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,160
um never never

1193
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,119
harming anyone

1194
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,200
building the whole thing up for an

1195
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,720
informant

1196
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,880
because he didn't because he sold

1197
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,520
because he he sold a gun to someone who

1198
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,040
got caught with it

1199
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,520
and that guy flipped on him okay now you

1200
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,240
have you have powell and towel and

1201
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,960
gozola and god knows who else

1202
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,640
going directly to the district

1203
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:12,240
attorney's office

1204
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:13,040
to

1205
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,160
offer them with radium in their

1206
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:25,200
toothpaste okay i mean it took them a

1207
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,920
long time to get that that sort of a

1208
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:29,440
statement okay

1209
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:30,240
and

1210
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,800
you can tell it was jocular okay they're

1211
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:34,800
not going to use the tape in court they

1212
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,040
only use part of it and and the rest of

1213
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,359
it is printed out in transcript form and

1214
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,119
if you read it it's

1215
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,040
you know it's not convincing

1216
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,359
it's not it's not something actionable

1217
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,280
or convictible but it's enough to get a

1218
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,359
grand jury to get just about anything is

1219
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:51,359
enough to get a grand jury indictment

1220
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,440
for the possibility of something like

1221
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,200
this happening

1222
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,359
um the the thing is they wanted to take

1223
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,079
the federal scrutiny off of

1224
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,720
these particular politicians

1225
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,280
because they were in fact doing criminal

1226
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:07,040
activities that were against federal

1227
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,400
statutes

1228
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,960
not alone not not just state and and

1229
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,800
local but they were you know they they

1230
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,040
were they were running toxic uh toxic

1231
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,760
waste dump at least one possibly two

1232
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,800
three

1233
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,680
um uh they were doing illegal sand

1234
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,599
mining uh running a

1235
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,400
powell himself was was a supervising

1236
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,480
operation of a chop shop

1237
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,280
uh selling vehicles to the county of

1238
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,760
suffolk that were used selling them as

1239
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,240
new vehicles and having the

1240
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,800
serial numbers altered he was directly

1241
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,400
supervising this and they proved this in

1242
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:42,400
a court of law and he served federal

1243
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:44,400
prison time for it

1244
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,359
so you you know you go by and the police

1245
00:47:52,230 --> 00:47:49,280
weren't brought in on this until very

1246
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,240
very late in the game maybe a week less

1247
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,760
than a week before

1248
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,599
the actual arrest

1249
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,760
which did not again have a warrant the

1250
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:00,880
warrant was dated for the 14th of

1251
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:04,400
of uh june 1996 and he was arrested on

1252
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:07,680
the evening of the of the 12th

1253
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,160
um and you can tell by the

1254
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,079
the two phone calls that immediately

1255
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,680
proceeded

1256
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,119
um

1257
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,920
uh the call the the phone calls were

1258
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,079
automatically recorded and stored

1259
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,960
digitally on a computer in my home

1260
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,440
off of a cell tower anything going to

1261
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,839
anything coming from going to

1262
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,839
that cell phone the electronic serial

1263
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,760
number and the

1264
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,040
there's a way of there's a way of

1265
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,280
switching it on so that it begins begins

1266
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:36,960
and ends recording

1267
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,720
when the uh when the call is uh is first

1268
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,559
uh activated

1269
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,400
uh uh you know a plate placed or

1270
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:45,520
received

1271
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,559
and ends when when when it's done

1272
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,680
and uh so i not only have the the the

1273
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,240
the recorded information digital format

1274
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,160
but i have the time codes and so forth

1275
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,960
why did they see a need to to take their

1276
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,079
tape

1277
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,880
which they recorded in analog format and

1278
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,079
alter it

1279
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:06,400
to make it sound like john was doing

1280
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:10,079
this because of ufos

1281
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,960
okay

1282
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,800
why did they bother to do that they

1283
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:15,599
really wanted to nail the lid shut and

1284
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,440
not have it come loose at any time

1285
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,599
and then and that's what gets that's

1286
00:49:26,470 --> 00:49:23,119
that's what that's what leads me to

1287
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,480
believe that this was a concerted effort

1288
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:28,160
to draw attention from what they were

1289
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,040
doing

1290
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,200
onto something that would would bring in

1291
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:33,680
headlines because you have

1292
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,359
you have somebody that you you have

1293
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,839
somebody that has guns you have somebody

1294
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:40,319
that that he's associated with a known

1295
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:41,440
criminal

1296
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:42,480
and

1297
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,400
he just win won the the triple crown

1298
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,880
okay he is the scapegoat he is their

1299
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,119
perfect scapegoat

1300
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,200
and of course they knew he's running the

1301
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,920
ufo organization because he lectured at

1302
00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:00,000
libraries and it was registered in the

1303
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:01,440
state of new york

1304
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,079
and he was involved in politics

1305
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,520
so you know

1306
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,280
anything to the contrary

1307
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,680
disregarding the police activity

1308
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,119
the police didn't just do what the

1309
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,480
district attorney

1310
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,480
tells him to do okay

1311
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,079
uh it's supposed to be the other way

1312
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,160
around according to ken storch who's

1313
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,839
usually on this show

1314
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,640
uh usually somebody somebody gets a chip

1315
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:24,240
they go to the district attorney's

1316
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,680
office well whatever evidence do you

1317
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,760
have bring it to me and when they can

1318
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,839
when they can get his case together the

1319
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:32,079
police are involved in it in this case

1320
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,680
it was just the opposite the district

1321
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:36,079
attorney's office was running it

1322
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,280
maddison

1323
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:40,240
and powell have a relationship financial

1324
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:43,599
social and political relationship

1325
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,200
um and and as did fred tell

1326
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,440
as did gazzola

1327
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,680
so the whole thing ties together in such

1328
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,160
a nice little knot that they don't want

1329
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,240
to go to court they'll use any means

1330
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,800
necessary to keep it out of even mental

1331
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,040
health court where you could be limited

1332
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,359
in in what you can produce and where you

1333
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,119
can produce it and it's off of long

1334
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,400
island it's in upstate new york

1335
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,240
so um

1336
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,240
i understand where you're coming from

1337
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,920
that you know the link between the

1338
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,839
fugitive why isn't this guy doing this

1339
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,599
why isn't he doing that nobody's going

1340
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,839
to ask those questions if you provide

1341
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,319
enough circumstantial evidence and you

1342
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,280
own the news media to begin with

1343
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,319
uh

1344
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,240
understand right

1345
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,559
of course yeah okay and then

1346
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,000
you know that that would be the sequence

1347
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,000
of events see

1348
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,839
the economics the politics and then the

1349
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,240
war you know how do we defeat this guy

1350
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,640
and the positional lawsuit that's

1351
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,880
hanging over suffolk county's head and

1352
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:44,720
hanging over the the uh

1353
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,599
his alleged intended victims

1354
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:49,680
because because their families have

1355
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,960
money in power and now john if he's if

1356
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,400
they find that

1357
00:51:58,589 --> 00:51:56,079
in a court of law

1358
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,599
after after a trial and he was illegally

1359
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,599
incarcerated and for the wrong reason

1360
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,280
uh it only has to be proven by the

1361
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:05,280
preponderance of the evidence not to a

1362
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:06,720
moral certainty

1363
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,640
and he owns

1364
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:11,119
uh you know he's good for for hundreds

1365
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:14,480
of millions of dollars in lawsuits

1366
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,520
right

1367
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,720
okay so there is that economic aspect of

1368
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,720
it too

1369
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:22,079
right

1370
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:29,910
what is what is john ford's uh attorney

1371
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:33,280
what's his present um

1372
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:36,079
you know strategy if he what does he say

1373
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,630
as far as i know he's just going to uh

1374
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,119
he's going to proceed along the lines of

1375
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,440
the mental health uh you know mental

1376
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:50,880
health guidelines

1377
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:54,400
uh produce the um uh the doctor in a

1378
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,319
quarter of you know in a court in front

1379
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,559
of a judge and when the judge doesn't

1380
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,720
accept the opinion of the doctor

1381
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:03,200
john is allowed to file for a jury trial

1382
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,400
and in that case everything is open

1383
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,559
everything comes out and they're waiting

1384
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:10,319
for john to get older i mean he just

1385
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:12,960
like he's going to turn 69 this year or

1386
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,760
70. i don't even remember anymore 69 i

1387
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,800
think

1388
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,880
uh this year

1389
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,160
um

1390
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,559
i think they're waiting for him to die

1391
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:23,760
um

1392
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,960
and they consider him such a threat

1393
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,440
that he wasn't he just recently last

1394
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,119
week as a matter of fact

1395
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:33,920
um this past week um

1396
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:34,800
uh

1397
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,000
he was um he was scheduled to go for you

1398
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,319
know he had he had uh colorectal cancer

1399
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,359
while he was doing that

1400
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,960
what exactly is the state of his health

1401
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,240
right now

1402
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:48,160
all right well he

1403
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,800
he had to go for for colonoscopy

1404
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,720
where they knock it out and you know

1405
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,359
look up there and take samples and test

1406
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,280
it to make sure it's not uh there's no

1407
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,720
cancer

1408
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,480
so um

1409
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,559
uh the day before

1410
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,480
when he had to prepare for it which

1411
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,599
means you have to you have to take

1412
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,160
laxatives and you know be sequestered

1413
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,520
and so forth

1414
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,839
he was not allowed to tell anybody that

1415
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,599
he was going for this he couldn't make a

1416
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:15,359
call i didn't hear from him for four

1417
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,000
days i got really really worried because

1418
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:20,240
he usually calls me every other day at

1419
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,440
least

1420
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,280
and i didn't hear him from monday

1421
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,440
tuesday wednesday by thursday i started

1422
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,119
i was getting ready to pick up the phone

1423
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,119
i said i'll give it till tomorrow

1424
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,680
friday afternoon i heard from

1425
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,920
annie told me what happened he said that

1426
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,480
he feel they feel that he has so many

1427
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,720
supporters out there that we may do

1428
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,920
something

1429
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:41,920
if they if we knew that he was going to

1430
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:44,559
be off of the premises

1431
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:48,400
to spring him perhaps or or something to

1432
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,599
that effect

1433
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,079
and that he was considered uh he wasn't

1434
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,079
he himself wasn't considered a flight

1435
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,079
risk that that we

1436
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,559
as his supporters are considered some

1437
00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,160
type of uh

1438
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,440
um

1439
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,680
you know uh i don't know what you would

1440
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,680
call it you know um

1441
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,599
just because we're his supporters that

1442
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,359
we're going to go out of our way to do

1443
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,960
something illegal

1444
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,800
and he can't let anybody know that he's

1445
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,960
going to be off off of the uh the

1446
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,000
premises of a psychiatric hospital

1447
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,400
so go figure that out

1448
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,319
this really happened is that your what

1449
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,559
your conclusions or as actually somebody

1450
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,319
told you that

1451
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,160
john told me that that's what they told

1452
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,160
john his treatment team members of

1453
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:32,240
history team doctors

1454
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,200
nurses attendance told him that that's

1455
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,119
why he couldn't he was not allowed to

1456
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,359
make any phone calls

1457
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,040
all right because he had to go for the

1458
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:43,280
colonoscopy he was going to be off to

1459
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:44,160
the

1460
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,079
grounds gentlemen let's look at that

1461
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:53,920
gentlemen let's take a break i know i

1462
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,640
know

1463
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,480
joe you've uh you've had a rough weekend

1464
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,079
but we're going to take a break here uh

1465
00:56:01,750 --> 00:55:59,839
you're listening to john ford ufo

1466
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:01,760
nightmare on inception radio network and

1467
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,510
welcome back to the john ford ufo

1468
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,000
nightmare episode 23 essentially the

1469
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:13,200
21st anniversary of john's long journey

1470
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:15,599
through hail tonight we have on joe

1471
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:18,880
sapardo jerry samisi and richard smith

1472
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,839
as our brain trust and we are getting

1473
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,119
into uh

1474
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:25,200
what's going on with john and

1475
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:26,880
he's pretty roblox right now gentlemen

1476
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,680
isn't he oh yeah yes he is yes yes

1477
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,200
and they keep uh they keep running them

1478
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,680
into these uh these uh vicious circles

1479
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,599
like a dog chasing his tail

1480
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:40,079
because um at this point they've gotten

1481
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,440
away with

1482
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:43,040
um

1483
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,880
is it is it this month

1484
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,799
that's the 21st anniversary or next

1485
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:48,559
month it's this month this is tomorrow

1486
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:51,599
tomorrow it is yeah okay it's tomorrow

1487
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,910
right june 12th

1488
00:57:00,950 --> 00:57:00,079
i can't believe and you know

1489
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,960
um

1490
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,319
these people

1491
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,880
being as sadistic as they are

1492
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,359
i'm sure the attitude at this point is

1493
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,559
well

1494
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,440
we've gotten away with 21 years

1495
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,359
you know let's see how far we can

1496
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,160
stretch this out by causing all forms of

1497
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:18,319
ridiculous contradictions in the court

1498
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,280
system

1499
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,760
to just have john you know up and die

1500
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,319
which is a horrible thing to say

1501
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,640
at his expense but that's

1502
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,960
the twisted reality of it you know and

1503
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,640
nobody wants to think that way it's like

1504
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,319
oh no people

1505
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,400
are not that you know mean and horrible

1506
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,319
well yes they are

1507
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,000
when you're motivated by the economics

1508
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:40,000
of greed and profit and you know

1509
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:42,319
patronage political patronage and so

1510
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:43,280
forth

1511
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,640
um

1512
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,319
it's really easy to saunter down that

1513
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,559
path and you know after 20 years all of

1514
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:50,880
a sudden your your soul is as uh

1515
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,160
as black as uh the pavement on the road

1516
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:57,119
um for all the things you've invested in

1517
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,079
um

1518
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,240
you know it's uh it's no different than

1519
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,559
the way a um

1520
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:05,440
a loan shark would drag you into this

1521
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,040
you know a perpetual circle of debt well

1522
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,839
it's a perpetual circle of um

1523
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:14,079
deep pockets and deep dark circles of

1524
00:58:18,309 --> 00:58:16,400
favors to the point where to get rid of

1525
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,319
this favor you have to do that favor and

1526
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,480
it just keeps going from there

1527
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,040
and i'm not making excuses to

1528
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,240
try and and paint a uh a picture of uh

1529
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,319
forgiveness and mercy for these scumbags

1530
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,640
but you know i mean we are they

1531
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,400
knowingly made their own decision and

1532
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,839
made their own bed

1533
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:35,200
uh and they're gonna have to sleep in it

1534
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:36,400
now because

1535
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,760
so many

1536
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,200
um

1537
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,359
overlapping sins have been committed

1538
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,359
here against john

1539
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:45,839
to keep him in there

1540
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,640
and so you know at this point uh the

1541
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,200
ultimate and final solution is from

1542
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:52,880
their perspective

1543
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:55,599
um let him rot and die

1544
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:58,000
before we let him out

1545
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,960
and

1546
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,720
based on the way he's a better hope than

1547
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:02,319
nothing

1548
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,000
him because i have full power of

1549
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:08,559
attorney and extends beyond death

1550
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:10,880
and i can go in and sue

1551
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,640
okay based on my knowledge and and uh

1552
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,319
and his statements

1553
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,280
okay i can go in and sue uh file a tort

1554
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,440
action on his behalf

1555
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,400
and uh and multiple court actions

1556
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:26,400
all right now that's not gonna help john

1557
00:59:29,670 --> 00:59:27,280
but

1558
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:29,680
yeah that is not gonna help john

1559
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,680
but the thing is what we want to do is

1560
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:33,200
we want to help someone we want to get

1561
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:35,200
in the hell out of there

1562
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,799
very quickly

1563
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,839
and we've been trying to we've been

1564
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:40,079
doing this for what two years now

1565
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:47,670
uh yeah it's uh it's been uh it's been a

1566
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,839
fast three years since we started doing

1567
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:50,880
this so

1568
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,839
yeah uh yeah

1569
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,680
is there anything and uh gentlemen is

1570
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,400
there any news on getting a new lawyer

1571
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:00,079
i mean are we go get is there anything

1572
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,799
going on with that joe

1573
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:03,839
uh

1574
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,680
it looks like we're gonna have to get

1575
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,760
some heavy hitter in there

1576
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,240
very very quickly unless mourinho really

1577
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,400
turns around quick you know and does

1578
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,480
starts doing right by john

1579
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:28,160
because we had him on his show saying

1580
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:29,680
that it was going to take

1581
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:33,440
um i believe it was in uh 2015 we had

1582
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:35,040
him on the show

1583
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:36,000
um

1584
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,200
and

1585
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,440
uh oh that that if we go to the federal

1586
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,000
jurisdiction or rid of habeas corpus oh

1587
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:44,799
that could take years well it's taking

1588
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:48,000
years and he's just using the limited

1589
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,680
resources and limited bounds of mental

1590
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:53,760
health law in new york state

1591
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,520
and he has got nowhere with these people

1592
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,839
and at this point they've been

1593
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,920
retracting

1594
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,520
from what i understand

1595
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:05,839
legally

1596
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,319
john originally when he went when he

1597
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,799
went to trial he was supposed to be uh

1598
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,359
get exculpatory uh

1599
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:15,280
evidence or have access to all the

1600
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:18,160
evidence that they had against him and

1601
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,480
it turns out that they've been funneling

1602
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:22,640
information from the district attorney's

1603
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:23,599
office

1604
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:26,880
regarding recordings saying that john

1605
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,559
uh john said on tape that uh

1606
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,720
that uh uh he should that joe

1607
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:34,160
massachusetts should put that gun to

1608
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,359
good use and use it on gaza and it went

1609
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:39,040
and it turns out that when he inquired

1610
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:40,559
about it they wouldn't give him the

1611
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,760
document

1612
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:43,520
but they when he wanted when he inquired

1613
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:44,880
about it they said they had made a

1614
01:01:49,829 --> 01:01:47,680
mistake that it was joe masacelli

1615
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:49,839
talking to the

1616
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,319
gentleman who work for the district

1617
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,400
attorney's office that guy kosh who was

1618
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:56,640
in the room that night who was stirring

1619
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:59,280
up all these issues and getting people

1620
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,280
to say things that they ordinarily would

1621
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:02,960
not have said

1622
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:05,599
and you have to look at it also

1623
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,799
from the from the vantage point of your

1624
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,599
your

1625
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:11,680
entire you have a reasonable expectation

1626
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:13,839
of privacy in your own home

1627
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,160
and john was in his own home he wasn't

1628
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,319
doing anything illegal he was sitting at

1629
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,599
his typewriter okay this guy's doing all

1630
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,400
the talking massachusetts backing him up

1631
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,400
the average person spends hours a week

1632
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:28,240
at the grocery store but you're not an

1633
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,480
average person are you there's a better

1634
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,160
way to get fresh groceries and it's

1635
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,400
called fresh direct shop for just pick

1636
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,319
fruit and vegetables custom cut meat and

1637
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,799
seafood freshly made meals and meal kits

1638
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,640
all your favorite brands plus hundreds

1639
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:42,880
of weekly deals order fresh direct

1640
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,040
anytime anywhere and get the freshest

1641
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,119
groceries delivered to your door use

1642
01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:50,079
code playlist to get 25 off your first

1643
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:52,280
order of 99 or more visit

1644
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:54,240
freshdirect.com or download the app

1645
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:55,520
today

1646
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,720
okay

1647
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,760
his friend is is spinning around waiting

1648
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,280
waiting to find out if he's going to get

1649
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,520
arrested for possession of a firearm

1650
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,799
again

1651
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:06,799
okay arthur riva

1652
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,079
we discussed him on another show okay

1653
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:12,799
he's the informant and and he introduces

1654
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,760
mazatelli to a an assistant district

1655
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:17,280
attorney

1656
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,640
who is uh interested in ufos and uh

1657
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,559
wants to get responsible iranian wants

1658
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,000
to buy guns all those other kind of

1659
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,400
stuff john is home back off you know

1660
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,119
enough enough with this leave it alone

1661
01:03:33,270 --> 01:03:31,280
and they don't you don't hear that part

1662
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,280
as far as attorneys go

1663
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:35,359
reno is a uh

1664
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,720
you know i guess he knows what he's

1665
01:03:42,630 --> 01:03:39,599
doing he's gotten people out before

1666
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,640
um some alive some after contracting

1667
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:45,520
cancer and dying three months later but

1668
01:03:50,230 --> 01:03:47,920
uh he is an expert in mental health law

1669
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,240
and he practices in several states when

1670
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,000
we can't pay him anymore we're going to

1671
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,920
try to get somebody better

1672
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:56,640
possibly pro bono but right now john is

1673
01:04:02,549 --> 01:03:59,760
seriously looking into that

1674
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,559
so that's the update on that

1675
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:04,079
we had uh

1676
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:06,079
here's what i was a little confused

1677
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:06,880
about

1678
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,520
we had robert reno on the show just last

1679
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,559
year

1680
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,039
and i think it was in the um

1681
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,599
in late summer early fall

1682
01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,559
okay

1683
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:18,160
and um

1684
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:20,960
it was around um it was either before or

1685
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,680
after the joe mazzachelli interview

1686
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,839
and

1687
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,760
um he had said

1688
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:29,599
uh unless i'm remembering things

1689
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,640
differently

1690
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,839
i remember robert reena saying you know

1691
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,920
don't worry about this you know we're

1692
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,880
gonna

1693
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:39,599
have him out by the beginning of the new

1694
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:40,559
year

1695
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,799
and that started to look promising but

1696
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,400
um

1697
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,559
you know what uh i

1698
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:52,880
i haven't had a chance to get any phone

1699
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,960
calls or updates from john or anything

1700
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:56,720
like that so

1701
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:57,680
um

1702
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,880
what exactly has stalled out with robert

1703
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:01,839
reno

1704
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,559
from the enthusiasm he had

1705
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,960
only last year right right

1706
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,319
this is the part that i'm not

1707
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:10,559
understanding um i mean

1708
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:13,039
well joe have you had any conversations

1709
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,240
with them yeah i i think you're a little

1710
01:05:20,230 --> 01:05:18,079
bit uh

1711
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:20,240
on the on the days i think we started

1712
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:21,599
this show

1713
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,359
it's a monthly show so it had to be two

1714
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,200
years ago i believe he was on in

1715
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,760
december or january i'm not positive

1716
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,839
about that but 16. but he was going to

1717
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,920
have john out

1718
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,440
i i don't know if you have you if you

1719
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,359
have a log or you have the information

1720
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,839
but he was on this show his audio was

1721
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:39,280
not very good

1722
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:42,400
and uh he was very gung-ho and uh he

1723
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,359
stated categorically that if john

1724
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,799
if he and john were walking down the

1725
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:48,160
street new york city that people would

1726
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:49,599
look at him three times even though they

1727
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:51,440
looked at john once

1728
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,599
right that that he was level-headed

1729
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:55,359
saying he believed john he believed the

1730
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,319
story

1731
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,400
and that uh and that the quickest way

1732
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,920
out of this was to go through the mental

1733
01:06:04,230 --> 01:06:01,280
health system

1734
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,240
but uh he did over the summer over this

1735
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:06,079
past summer um

1736
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,680
in 2016

1737
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:09,599
he contracted a uh

1738
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,440
i i believe cancer a skin cancer

1739
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:16,000
and he was uh he was out for a couple of

1740
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,119
months

1741
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,440
so i'm giving him the benefit of the

1742
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,280
doubt and i'm hoping

1743
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,680
that he's going to

1744
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,440
redeem himself

1745
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,039
when the time comes and i don't know

1746
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:28,960
when that's going to be because john has

1747
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,839
yet to be able to get in touch with him

1748
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,760
uh for a complete rundown on the

1749
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,359
situation

1750
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:38,160
or uh or get any any kind of a complete

1751
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,520
description

1752
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:41,680
the only thing that he is interested in

1753
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:42,960
now

1754
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,280
is the fact that the district attorney's

1755
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,280
office has been feeding information to

1756
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:50,400
his treatment to john's treatment team

1757
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:51,839
and um

1758
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,640
and this is information

1759
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:57,119
uh it's privileged information

1760
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:59,920
john can't get copies of it they refuse

1761
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,000
to give john copies of it they refuse to

1762
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,480
give his lawyer a copy of it he wants

1763
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,240
all the information that's been sent

1764
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,160
from the district attorney's office to

1765
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,599
the hospital

1766
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,680
and and you know given to members of the

1767
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:13,760
treatment teams that he's had over the

1768
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:14,799
years

1769
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,559
he's had a lot of doctors a lot of

1770
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,400
nurses a lot of different attendants

1771
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:22,160
come come and go

1772
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,520
but

1773
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:24,480
he's

1774
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,319
they're getting

1775
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,000
challenging information from the

1776
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,720
district attorney's office as to why he

1777
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:38,240
should continue to be

1778
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:40,839
retained in a psychiatric

1779
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:43,920
institute and it's it's getting to the

1780
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,240
point of absurdity right now

1781
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,880
uh until i hear from john's lawyer

1782
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:51,119
directly i really don't know what's

1783
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,559
going on okay i can only speculate

1784
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,640
that he's going to get back on track

1785
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,920
he's been paid

1786
01:08:02,470 --> 01:08:00,079
the doctor that's going to be testifying

1787
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,480
on john's behalf has been paid and it's

1788
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,720
just a matter of when is it going to go

1789
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,960
to court what are the legalities of the

1790
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:08,240
mental health

1791
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,760
legal system

1792
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,960
where you have to prove that you're

1793
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:13,280
saying rather than getting a

1794
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,559
a trial

1795
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,480
by a jury of your peers to find out

1796
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,159
whether or not you committed a crime

1797
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:20,640
there was no crime committed here

1798
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:22,960
okay there was no factual crime nobody

1799
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,319
got hurt nobody nobody even got you know

1800
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,480
this is ridiculous all right now we're

1801
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,560
talking 21 years of illegal

1802
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:32,319
incarceration they didn't even have a

1803
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:33,440
warrant

1804
01:08:36,070 --> 01:08:34,880
all right they know

1805
01:08:37,590 --> 01:08:36,080
even if they did have a warrant they

1806
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,600
didn't have a warrant to search his

1807
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,279
truck it was parked in the street and

1808
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:41,520
was unlocked and that's where the radium

1809
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,880
was found

1810
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,440
and it was probably properly contained

1811
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:47,600
it was depleted

1812
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:48,960
okay

1813
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:51,600
and uh and and it was it was harmless

1814
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,839
okay so so uh the whole thing is is it's

1815
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:58,000
it's a non-case

1816
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:59,920
and why they're keeping him in there is

1817
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:02,000
financial richard you hit it right on

1818
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:03,600
the head before

1819
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,040
and um and as far as uh legal remedies

1820
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:09,520
we're very limited at this point as far

1821
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,640
as i know

1822
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:11,920
well you know if

1823
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,640
if i were in john's place at this point

1824
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,319
since i've met with

1825
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:19,120
continuing frustration trying to do this

1826
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,719
through the um

1827
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,319
shall we say the procedures of the

1828
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,400
mental health system

1829
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:26,159
i would just initiate a lawsuit right

1830
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:27,359
now i mean

1831
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:29,279
we had discussed this before we had

1832
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:31,040
discussed this before where then it

1833
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,960
would seem like well he's just

1834
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,120
he's just trying to get out where is if

1835
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:37,040
he gets out and then does a lawsuit he

1836
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,719
has more leverage but

1837
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,600
he's

1838
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:41,440
it it seems to me

1839
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,640
it the

1840
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,239
to use a cliche the rug keeps getting

1841
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,920
pulled out from under him

1842
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:48,159
and what i would see what do i have to

1843
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,520
lose let me just let me just start a

1844
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:51,920
lawsuit right now that

1845
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,719
uh

1846
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:54,880
you know all these things

1847
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,159
uh you know

1848
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:58,239
now i guess he can't bring in stuff like

1849
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,679
about the one i don't i don't know he

1850
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:00,880
could start if he started a lawsuit

1851
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,000
against suffolk county the uh just just

1852
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,920
going on the war you know that that

1853
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:07,679
whole warrant thing had always bothered

1854
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,640
me to

1855
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:11,600
when i brought that up to rouse

1856
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:13,520
espresso nichols brought me a copy of

1857
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,480
that

1858
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,400
uh war one night when i was at the

1859
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,199
newspaper i quote okay so you know i'm

1860
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:21,280
not i'm not bullying i'm i'm not giving

1861
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,960
anybody a lie and a bow on this they

1862
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,880
didn't even have a warrant on the 12th

1863
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:26,960
that's i mean i i saw that one too and i

1864
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,520
said to rouse how i said why don't you

1865
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,440
contest this and this is ralph's answer

1866
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,360
and i don't know if it's an accurate

1867
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:35,040
answer or not he said

1868
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,320
he said

1869
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,920
um

1870
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,600
what would happen is the prosecution

1871
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,880
would simply

1872
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,080
have the

1873
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:45,040
the detective whoever whoever the one

1874
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,239
who was ever the one the police

1875
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:47,920
department who brought that to the judge

1876
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,360
to sign

1877
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,120
and he would testify that this was

1878
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,360
typographical error

1879
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,360
and the judge would say okay you know

1880
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,120
you you testifying on the oath this was

1881
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,800
really supposed to be dated

1882
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:00,320
the 12th but it was just typed up as the

1883
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,280
14th and that's what ralph said and so

1884
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:05,040
if that's not going to it's not going to

1885
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,640
do anything i don't i don't know i don't

1886
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,080
know about that because

1887
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,800
that's like saying on that point

1888
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:12,640
i would have to say rouse is a liar on

1889
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,560
that point okay because there's no way

1890
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:18,080
they couldn't have gotten a warrant

1891
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,280
without the

1892
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:21,840
the the recordings and they didn't have

1893
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,280
time to properly properly make the

1894
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:28,239
recordings and present them to the judge

1895
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:29,679
uh where they would

1896
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:32,719
there was such of such intensity

1897
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,360
after they were modified

1898
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,520
right where where you know the statement

1899
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:39,679
is made why does he want to kill these

1900
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:43,760
this guy powell and so forth okay

1901
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,640
he doesn't say that until the uh until

1902
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,719
the altered recording

1903
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,679
all right

1904
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:52,560
and that was made at 8 20

1905
01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:56,880
p.m they were at his house at 9 00 p.m

1906
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,640
how did they get a judge to sign it on a

1907
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:00,640
tuesday night

1908
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,840
o'clock

1909
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,159
as far as i know the authorities are

1910
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:06,159
only allowed to burst in if they feel

1911
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:06,960
this

1912
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:09,600
someone's life is in immediate danger

1913
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,320
now i've i've seen kate i've seen on tv

1914
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:13,760
cases where

1915
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,960
a person a is soliciting an undercover

1916
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:19,040
officer to kill somebody

1917
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:21,120
and the first time he or she says that

1918
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:22,480
to the underground officer he doesn't

1919
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,520
just

1920
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:25,600
he makes sure he has the whole case

1921
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,400
where

1922
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,800
okay you're sure he asks her you meet

1923
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,360
her get in other words there's a process

1924
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,040
if if there's no immediate threat of

1925
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:34,960
violence these authorities can't do

1926
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:37,760
anything without a warrant it's

1927
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:38,719
that i

1928
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,120
that's that's an excellent point that

1929
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,920
if they made this action on the basis of

1930
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:46,159
those tapes they could not have gotten a

1931
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:48,480
warrant on that day and obviously they

1932
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,520
didn't

1933
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:51,199
and yet they acted on that

1934
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,640
they had a warrant

1935
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,480
and i think that

1936
01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:59,510
yeah i mean just

1937
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,080
just just that alone is the basis of the

1938
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,800
in other words he's i mean it seems to

1939
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,320
me cases have been thrown out of court

1940
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:08,719
for a lot less uh

1941
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,000
you know for technicalities it seems

1942
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,750
oh i'm pretty sure you can get a case

1943
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,600
thrown out in selfie county if you have

1944
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:19,840
the right amount of money and in fact i

1945
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,600
know for a fact you can

1946
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,440
okay and we've discussed this i'm not

1947
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,600
going to get back into it people can go

1948
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,600
through the old shows

1949
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:29,280
you can buy a judgeship if you have

1950
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:30,640
enough money you can be appointed a

1951
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,679
judge

1952
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,880
all right

1953
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:34,640
that apparently is true in a lot of

1954
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,520
counties in new york city and i i know

1955
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,840
that's a that's a real corrupt fact

1956
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,040
factor in our system this whole

1957
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,640
judgeship thing

1958
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,800
so you you go to trial and like the

1959
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,320
judge has your fate in his hands unless

1960
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:49,280
you're in a jury trial it's a very

1961
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,709
i don't know well

1962
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:59,120
well judges have become uh politicians

1963
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,480
and robes

1964
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:02,400
um that's

1965
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,360
i mean you've got the um i mean by

1966
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,040
example

1967
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:09,120
you've got the supreme court of the

1968
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:10,560
united states

1969
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,320
becoming nothing more than politicians

1970
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,480
and robs and there's no

1971
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:16,560
there's no objective view of the law at

1972
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:19,840
that level well at that level

1973
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,600
at the highest level if they're the ones

1974
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,360
setting the example

1975
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:25,600
then all of the district courts and and

1976
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:28,159
county courts trickling down from that

1977
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,679
system

1978
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:31,440
you know they're gonna see that and

1979
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:34,560
figure well i can do that too

1980
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:36,400
you know and all of a sudden it becomes

1981
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:37,920
a political

1982
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,360
uh bench instead of a judicial bench

1983
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,040
and

1984
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,280
there therein lies the downfall right

1985
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,440
there because you'd have to ask yourself

1986
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:50,159
well how often would suffolk county

1987
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,440
police be allowed to botch up the date

1988
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,440
of a search warrant

1989
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,440
i mean how often is this happening to

1990
01:15:02,070 --> 01:14:58,800
the point where we can get away with

1991
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:02,080
saying typographical error okay

1992
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:04,159
and richard you know it was not the

1993
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,480
suffolk county police that came to to

1994
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,480
get the warrant it was the district

1995
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:11,120
attorney's office okay

1996
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,080
yes

1997
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,920
right the district attorney's office was

1998
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,080
a special investigative squad that was

1999
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,760
set up specifically to target john ford

2000
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,000
and long island ufo network and any

2001
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,719
associates of john ford okay

2002
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,679
uh

2003
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:27,679
and they you know it normally goes the

2004
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:30,320
other way as ken will uh what yeah well

2005
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,040
he's even stated on other shows when he

2006
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,280
was in law enforcement he would have to

2007
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:37,760
bring a narcotic case to uh to the

2008
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:40,480
district attorney and justify it

2009
01:15:44,630 --> 01:15:42,400
uh you know why it's worth doing this

2010
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:44,640
and you know what evidence we have

2011
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:48,000
what's irrefutable etc and the judge

2012
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,920
would sign a warrant and he would make

2013
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:51,679
somebody him or somebody else would make

2014
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:52,960
the arrest

2015
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:55,520
but uh in this case you have it running

2016
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:56,480
through

2017
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,199
of the district attorney

2018
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,000
the head district attorney cadison

2019
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,400
all right down through a special office

2020
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,239
and then the police have brought in in

2021
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:09,760
the last uh

2022
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,320
three to five days before to say up to

2023
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,800
surround this place and uh arrest this

2024
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:16,880
guy and this guy when you go in there

2025
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,520
and i'm sure if the news 12 and the

2026
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:21,920
other camera crews

2027
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,400
and and newsday hadn't arrived before

2028
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,719
the police

2029
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,400
that that john would have been

2030
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,400
assassinated that night because his dogs

2031
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,679
were beaten

2032
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:34,000
uh joe was pretty badly beaten up till

2033
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,480
mazzuchelli was pretty badly beaten up

2034
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,400
if you see any pictures of him uh

2035
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,320
several days later he still has uh welts

2036
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,239
on his face and so forth

2037
01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:44,960
and john has two black eyes

2038
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,280
oh yeah yeah oh yeah the police were

2039
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:49,679
beating his dogs and trying to get him

2040
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,199
to uh to confess to um

2041
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:56,480
you know to cre to uh plot to uh uh

2042
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:58,560
making he john really had no idea what

2043
01:17:01,910 --> 01:17:01,040
he was being arrested for

2044
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,920
okay

2045
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,239
at the point that he was arrested he

2046
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,960
told me i had no idea what was going on

2047
01:17:11,189 --> 01:17:09,440
uh you know i i wasn't even sure if

2048
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:11,199
these guys were cops other than they

2049
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:13,120
were wearing uniforms

2050
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:15,840
and um you know yeah the guy that they

2051
01:17:21,430 --> 01:17:18,800
were talking to koch walked out

2052
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:21,440
and uh mazatelli was walking with him

2053
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:23,600
and they they the police came in in

2054
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:26,320
force knocked massachelli over a railing

2055
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:28,880
out just outside the door

2056
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,360
and you know proceeded to pummel him

2057
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:33,760
they were beating john's dogs up with

2058
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:35,120
night sticks

2059
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,400
all right john will tell you this

2060
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,000
himself all right

2061
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,400
uh he had two you know to uh i guess

2062
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:43,280
wirehair terrier i believe they were and

2063
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,960
the the suffolk county police were

2064
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,679
beating them and and and punching john

2065
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,920
while he's handcuffed behind behind his

2066
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,840
back and on his knees in his living room

2067
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:53,440
in his own house

2068
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,239
so

2069
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,320
if anybody's really interested in this

2070
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,120
it could happen to you all right

2071
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,920
i just want to get that out because uh

2072
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,080
you know people have not been puffing up

2073
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,560
five bucks or ten bucks to to the legal

2074
01:18:10,070 --> 01:18:08,400
defense fund and where you know john is

2075
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:10,080
going to walk out of there

2076
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:13,280
uh penny was for for a short time

2077
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:15,199
uh after we get through with all legal

2078
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,560
fees and court costs and psychiatric uh

2079
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:20,719
testimony and all that

2080
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:21,920
so um

2081
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,600
you know that's kind of the purpose of

2082
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,040
the show too

2083
01:18:30,630 --> 01:18:27,679
right yes definitely and i do want to

2084
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,640
say thank you to everybody who has been

2085
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:32,159
making donations

2086
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,120
okay

2087
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:35,199
um to the john ford initiative there

2088
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,080
because i just i was just as you were

2089
01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:40,080
bringing it up i've been putting the uh

2090
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,840
the links for the donation into the chat

2091
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:43,920
room there and um

2092
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:46,000
anyone out there listening to the show

2093
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:48,310
you can go right to the website it's um

2094
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:49,520
[Music]

2095
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,550
and right on the left side you'll see a

2096
01:19:00,149 --> 01:18:59,199
paypal donation link you just click on

2097
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,159
that

2098
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:02,640
um any amount helps if you're the kind

2099
01:19:05,990 --> 01:19:03,679
of person

2100
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,000
who can only do five bucks that's five

2101
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,239
more bucks that we didn't have if you're

2102
01:19:11,910 --> 01:19:10,480
the kind of person who can lay down 500

2103
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,920
or 5000

2104
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,640
do that too all right so every little

2105
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:16,000
bit counts

2106
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:17,040
um

2107
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,640
and it is

2108
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,560
extremely appreciated for those of you

2109
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,040
who have been doing it um because i've

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01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,880
been paying attention to that

2111
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,400
and um

2112
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:28,480
so yeah thank you very much to everybody

2113
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:32,239
who has been doing it there all right

2114
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,679
yeah that's much appreciated that's

2115
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:35,520
awesome well well gentlemen it's been

2116
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,600
great it's been a great show like i said

2117
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:39,120
these little shows are sometimes the

2118
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,880
best we had some great insight tonight

2119
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:43,120
from richard smith cherie samizzi and

2120
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:45,280
jose pardo uh thank you very much

2121
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:46,960
gentlemen for being on the show our next

2122
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,239
show will be

2123
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,719
sunday july 9th 9 00 p.m eastern right

2124
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:52,960
here on inception radio network we'll

2125
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:55,760
talk to you soon and um everybody just

2126
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,560
keep john in your prayers and you just

2127
01:20:02,070 --> 01:20:00,480
never know but let's get him free people

2128
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,080
thanks for listening and saying good say

2129
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:04,719
good night gentlemen

2130
01:20:17,410 --> 01:20:06,640
good night

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